[原创][化州那务]礼村郭氏开基始祖妙护公的年代问题存疑

郭水清 发表于 2011-4-4 20:42:00

据族谱记载，礼村郭氏之开基始祖妙护公郭果，乃元至正年间（1342-1368）卜居礼村，查阅后得知五世祖良周公的生卒年份是公元1596-1659年。选取1366和1596两个年份，可算得四代之隔相差230年，平均一代57.5年，请问这合理吗？
 
      礼村郭氏族谱，最早由三世祖大器公修纂，大器公是妙护祖二子郭达的长子，他对祖父的记录应该不会出现大的错误，但后世的修纂就难免会出问题了。第二次修纂是由七世祖奇旋公完成的，且正是“接三世祖大器公遗之残谱”，问题可能就出在这里。2004年族谱记载的最早的生卒年份就是五世祖良周公，良周公正是奇旋公的祖父，所以在良周公已卒的情况下，新修纂的族谱得以正确记录其生卒年份是非常合理的。然而开基始祖生活在元末明初，而五世祖生活在明末清初，奇旋公难道不会有所置疑？可要知道，明朝从1368年至1644年是历经十三世十六个皇帝的。
 
      或许是因为良周公的长幼世系次序，是作为二子的二子的三子的四子，因此产生了四代之隔相差230年的可能性？首先，元至正年间之末的1366年，妙护祖应该是不小于二十岁，其三个儿子的第二个郭达，会迟在40年后出生吗？郭达有三子，会在60岁时生下二儿子大钦吗？大钦的儿子之绪即使在70岁时得到幼子良周，那么作为五兄弟的老三，之绪又有可能是父亲60岁的时候出生的吗？很明显，没有这么多可能。
 
      按理说来，除了奇旋公在重修族谱时，不会弄错祖父的生卒年份外，后世的修纂也应该不会出错，因为六世、七世甚至八世出现的生卒年份都能佐证。会不会是世系出错，中间漏了些世代呢？但五世以上的记载为什么能如此有序呢，七世的奇旋公如果不会在五世、四世出错，难道会在三世、二世出错？
 
      由此看来，妙护祖的年代问题确实出了问题。可能是奇旋公或者是后世的修纂，为了让始祖的基业显得更久远，而有意无意让妙护祖出现在元至正年间。更或者，是先辈在元至正年间迁出福建，辗转了某某地之后，才由妙护祖迁到化州那务的礼村。

郭水清 发表于 2011-4-4 20:44:00

礼村郭氏五世鼻祖详表

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○（七世之后不见记载）<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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惟礼2<o:p></o:p></td>
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那务金菊豆地坡（亦有大量不见记载）<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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惟义1<o:p></o:p></td>
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○（八世之后不见记载）<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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惟宰1<o:p></o:p></td>
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○（十世之后不见记载）<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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之经 *迁吴川振文镇腾蛟（未合谱）<o:p></o:p>
*叶氏带惟祯惟祥流落高州南塘镇<o:p></o:p></td>
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惟祯6<o:p></o:p></td>
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信宜北界/金垌/东镇/高坡，北流大伦/扶新<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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惟祥？<o:p></o:p></td>
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高州南塘/潭头/大井<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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之纶<o:p></o:p></td>
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良士2<o:p></o:p></td>
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○（六世即不见记载）<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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之纬<o:p></o:p></td>
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良儒●<o:p></o:p></td>
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●<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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之绅<o:p></o:p></td>
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良策●<o:p></o:p></td>
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●<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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大钦<o:p></o:p>
*次二房*<o:p></o:p></td>
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之维<o:p></o:p></td>
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良宰●<o:p></o:p></td>
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●<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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良转●<o:p></o:p></td>
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●<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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之统●<o:p></o:p></td>
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●<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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之绪<o:p></o:p>
（出继一子良所）<o:p></o:p></td>
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良相1<o:p></o:p></td>
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金菊/井头等那务圩附近（约占族谱1/2人口）<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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良伯●<o:p></o:p></td>
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●<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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良周5（注2）<o:p></o:p></td>
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那务礼村/关垌/旺松坡/白页陂/端子根（海南）<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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之缝*迁那务村<o:p></o:p></td>
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良所2<o:p></o:p></td>
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那务高坡<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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之绶<o:p></o:p></td>
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惟松●<o:p></o:p></td>
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●<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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惟顺5<o:p></o:p></td>
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那务礼村/金岭头/白牛圩<o:p></o:p></td></tr>
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惟标●<o:p></o:p></td>
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注1：郭妙护号果行，原籍福建省怀安县今福州地区，于元朝末年与兄弟妙真及梓里一起奉旨至湖广行省居化州路石龙县礼村。妙真卜居今高州泗水彭村。元至正年间护祖被敕封县尹赴四川罗江县任职因兵燹路阻便卜居礼村为我族在那务开基之始祖。
注2：七世祖奇旋公，接三世祖大器公遗之残谱独力修纂成册。
说明：礼村郭氏遍及粤西的化州、高州、信宜、吴川，广西的北流、陆川，除外海南、贵州、香港、安南、南洋以及美国等地也有移居。其中绝大部分还是居住在以那务圩（礼村）为中心的周围，所以在“后代及居住地”，那务镇的一般说到村（管区），其他地方的一般说到镇。如北流清湾/六靖是指北流市的清湾镇和六靖镇，那务礼村/关垌是指化州市那务镇的礼村和关垌村，那务/播扬/良光是指化州市的那务镇、播扬镇和良光镇。

郭安胤 发表于 2011-4-6 19:54:00

这是记错的，因为在那个年代是以甲子花记写的，差一个甲子花就是六十年。

郭安胤 发表于 2011-4-6 19:55:00

按理说来，除了奇旋公在重修族谱时，不会弄错祖父的生卒年份外，后世的修纂也应该不会出错，因为六世、七世甚至八世出现的生卒年份都能佐证。会不会是世系出错，中间漏了些世代呢？但五世以上的记载为什么能如此有序呢，七世的奇旋公如果不会在五世、四世出错，难道会在三世、二世出错？
 
是甲子花问题。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

郭安胤 发表于 2011-4-27 20:18:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder">以下是引用郭水清在2011-4-16 12:45:21的发言： 
应该不存在因干支纪年而出错的可能。
因为
一：虽然是干支纪年，但都有年号，族谱上并没有将其改为公元纪年（公元纪年是本人换算的）。比如良周公生于万历丙申年、卒于顺治己亥年，也即1596-1659年。
二：良周公及后世的生卒年代，都很正常。比如良周公（老四）的大哥良相公，有一独子应魁(1616-1706)，其生卒年份与良周公的能合理对照；应魁有四子，其幼子奇玹（有四子）的长子士僎 (1691-?)、三子士任(1699-1765)，祖孙三人留下来的有记载的生卒年份，都很合理；士任公是我的八世祖，从他开始一直到我自己（十七世），在族谱上都有年份的记载，也都很合理。
 
所以，因“甲子花”而出问题，基本是不可能的。我也才直接对“始祖妙护公的年代问题”存疑，并猜测“先辈在元至正年间迁出福建，辗转了某某地之后，才由妙护祖迁到化州那务的礼村”。不知安胤大哥，是否还有其他思路可供解惑？
 
PS：很遗憾，因族谱不在手上，提供不了更多六世、七世和八世祖的资料，以上资料都是我自己上溯祖先时保存在电脑上的。
 
 
 
我手头无谱，不知从何说起。金菊坡忠强在吴川振文派出所工作。
<div align="right">[此贴子已经被作者于2011-4-16 12:47:23编辑过]</div></div>

郭水清 发表于 2011-4-16 12:45:00

应该不存在因干支纪年而出错的可能。
因为
一：虽然是干支纪年，但都有年号，族谱上并没有将其改为公元纪年（公元纪年是本人换算的）。比如良周公生于万历丙申年、卒于顺治己亥年，也即1596-1659年。
二：良周公及后世的生卒年代，都很正常。比如良周公（老四）的大哥良相公，有一独子应魁(1616-1706)，其生卒年份与良周公的能合理对照；应魁有四子，其幼子奇玹（有四子）的长子士僎 (1691-?)、三子士任(1699-1765)，祖孙三人留下来的有记载的生卒年份，都很合理；士任公是我的八世祖，从他开始一直到我自己（十七世），在族谱上都有年份的记载，也都很合理。
 
所以，因“甲子花”而出问题，基本是不可能的。我也才直接对“始祖妙护公的年代问题”存疑，并猜测“先辈在元至正年间迁出福建，辗转了某某地之后，才由妙护祖迁到化州那务的礼村”。不知安胤大哥，是否还有其他思路可供解惑？
 
PS：很遗憾，因族谱不在手上，提供不了更多六世、七世和八世祖的资料，以上资料都是我自己上溯祖先时保存在电脑上的。
[此贴子已经被作者于2011-4-16 12:47:23编辑过]

郭康概 发表于 2011-7-9 21:06:00

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郭安胤 发表于 2013-4-6 16:21:17

重要资料。。。。。。

郭行发表于 2013-4-21 22:57:39

本帖最后由郭行于 2013-4-27 13:32 编辑

广西北流塘岸开基祖我听说叫郭大荣、郭大华。听村中老一辈人讲，兄弟俩是挑着父亲(具体名字我不知道)遗骨来的。

郭安胤 发表于 2013-4-22 13:16:56

妙护、妙真不应该是来自福建而是容县。

郭安胤 发表于 2013-4-22 13:24:45

郭水清发表于 2011-4-16 12:45 static/image/common/back.gif
应该不存在因干支纪年而出错的可能。
因为
一：虽然是干支纪年，但都有年号，族谱上并没有将其改为公元纪 ...

容县的族谱，化州那务的可以参考。

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